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		<title>By: Sherri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a related issue (I think). We have some computers with 2003 and some with 2007. None of the charts are showing up when I open the 2003 created workbook in 2007. Any fix you&#039;re aware of? I&#039;m currently trying to reprogram the charts in a 2007 workbook, but I agree with you - they are way fuzzy looking - not the crisp look I&#039;m used to in prior versions. (add that all to the fact that the Excel 2003 file locks up my Excel for ages trying to open!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a related issue (I think). We have some computers with 2003 and some with 2007. None of the charts are showing up when I open the 2003 created workbook in 2007. Any fix you&#8217;re aware of? I&#8217;m currently trying to reprogram the charts in a 2007 workbook, but I agree with you &#8211; they are way fuzzy looking &#8211; not the crisp look I&#8217;m used to in prior versions. (add that all to the fact that the Excel 2003 file locks up my Excel for ages trying to open!).</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the banker guy.  I own a small SW company that mines data from data historians using Excel.  We might look at 1000 variables going back 9 months every 4 minutes.  We even have a feature to automatically create a PowerPoint file using Excel graphs (creates slides and charts based on statitistical signficance).  I would say I have never met another Excel addin that does more than ours does.  So I would definitely characterize us as power users.  That said, 2007 is a disaster - why did MS change the graph object model without telling anyone?  If you have code to manipulate graph objects, get ready for problems when you switch to 2007.  Who cares about fuzzy lines?  There are much larger issues out there, like the graph object model.  Here is another pet peeve: in 2003 when you hover over a series, it gives you the x,y values.  In 2007 you have to select the series?  WHY?

The only thing worse than 2007 is 2007 on Vista.  Every try and drag an object in a Webex session?  It locks up your PC - totally.  Nice job, MS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the banker guy.  I own a small SW company that mines data from data historians using Excel.  We might look at 1000 variables going back 9 months every 4 minutes.  We even have a feature to automatically create a PowerPoint file using Excel graphs (creates slides and charts based on statitistical signficance).  I would say I have never met another Excel addin that does more than ours does.  So I would definitely characterize us as power users.  That said, 2007 is a disaster &#8211; why did MS change the graph object model without telling anyone?  If you have code to manipulate graph objects, get ready for problems when you switch to 2007.  Who cares about fuzzy lines?  There are much larger issues out there, like the graph object model.  Here is another pet peeve: in 2003 when you hover over a series, it gives you the x,y values.  In 2007 you have to select the series?  WHY?</p>
<p>The only thing worse than 2007 is 2007 on Vista.  Every try and drag an object in a Webex session?  It locks up your PC &#8211; totally.  Nice job, MS.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rene -

It&#039;s never too late te leave me a comment!

I&#039;ve never noticed this problem, but I don&#039;t use workbooks I&#039;ve made in 2007 in earlier versions. I&#039;m sure some have noticed it. I don&#039;t think it would be high on the list of things to fix, since it would perhaps encourage people to upgrade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rene -</p>
<p>It&#8217;s never too late te leave me a comment!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never noticed this problem, but I don&#8217;t use workbooks I&#8217;ve made in 2007 in earlier versions. I&#8217;m sure some have noticed it. I don&#8217;t think it would be high on the list of things to fix, since it would perhaps encourage people to upgrade.</p>
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		<title>By: Rene Tenazas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene Tenazas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,

This might be a late comment, but I have a problem with Excel 2007 charts that no one else seems to have brought up.  If I create a chart in Excel 2007 and save it in a .xls file under compatibility mode, then give that chart to someone with Excel 2000 or Excel 2003, they cannot see the entire chart.   The legend or y-axis text is cropped/truncated.  

It appears that the &quot;compatibility mode&quot; of Excel 2007 is not really compatible with earlier versions of Excel.  For that reason, I do not use 2007 to create charts that I intend to share with others using earlier Excel versions.  Am I the only one with this kind of problem?

Rene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>This might be a late comment, but I have a problem with Excel 2007 charts that no one else seems to have brought up.  If I create a chart in Excel 2007 and save it in a .xls file under compatibility mode, then give that chart to someone with Excel 2000 or Excel 2003, they cannot see the entire chart.   The legend or y-axis text is cropped/truncated.  </p>
<p>It appears that the &#8220;compatibility mode&#8221; of Excel 2007 is not really compatible with earlier versions of Excel.  For that reason, I do not use 2007 to create charts that I intend to share with others using earlier Excel versions.  Am I the only one with this kind of problem?</p>
<p>Rene</p>
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		<title>By: fabrice</title>
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		<dc:creator>fabrice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon, 

I found a recent survey you might be interested in,  on Excel French site &quot; http://www.excel-downloads.com/&quot; regarding Excel versions

Out of 3324 answers between 06/13/2008 au 08/31/2008 :

1 - Excel 2003 : 44,9%
2 - Excel 2007 : 30,6%
3 - Excel 2000 : 7,6%
4 - Excel XP : 5,9%
5 - Excel 97 : 4%
6 - Excel 2004 MAC : 3,1%
7 - Excel 2002 : 2,9%
8 - Others : 0,9%

Rgards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, </p>
<p>I found a recent survey you might be interested in,  on Excel French site &#8221; <a href="http://www.excel-downloads.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.excel-downloads.com/</a>&#8221; regarding Excel versions</p>
<p>Out of 3324 answers between 06/13/2008 au 08/31/2008 :</p>
<p>1 &#8211; Excel 2003 : 44,9%<br />
2 &#8211; Excel 2007 : 30,6%<br />
3 &#8211; Excel 2000 : 7,6%<br />
4 &#8211; Excel XP : 5,9%<br />
5 &#8211; Excel 97 : 4%<br />
6 &#8211; Excel 2004 MAC : 3,1%<br />
7 &#8211; Excel 2002 : 2,9%<br />
8 &#8211; Others : 0,9%</p>
<p>Rgards</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip Jon, I think I’ll avoid the simultaneous installations and stick 2003 on a virtual machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip Jon, I think I’ll avoid the simultaneous installations and stick 2003 on a virtual machine.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris -

Many people have kept 2003 installed on their machines, and installed 2007 in addition. You should use a different installation directory name, for example

C:\Program Files\Microsoft Excel 2007\

instead of

C:\Program Files\Microsoft Excel\

There are issues, there will always be issues, with running multiple versions of Office on the same machine. Microsoft doesn&#039;t support multiple installations on the same machine, and I cannot endorse it.

On my own machine I have Virtual PC installed, which lets me use a separate virtual machine for each installation I need to use in my development environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris -</p>
<p>Many people have kept 2003 installed on their machines, and installed 2007 in addition. You should use a different installation directory name, for example</p>
<p>C:\Program Files\Microsoft Excel 2007\</p>
<p>instead of</p>
<p>C:\Program Files\Microsoft Excel\</p>
<p>There are issues, there will always be issues, with running multiple versions of Office on the same machine. Microsoft doesn&#8217;t support multiple installations on the same machine, and I cannot endorse it.</p>
<p>On my own machine I have Virtual PC installed, which lets me use a separate virtual machine for each installation I need to use in my development environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,

Firstly, great site, great info.

I&#039;m about to make the leap into the world of 2007, so I think antialiasing is the least of my worries. For the first time last night I opened one of my &#039;every day&#039; files in 2007 and the charts I saw were rendered completely incorrectly. It was late, so I just closed it and pretended everything was ok.

At the moment I&#039;m trying to find a way of having 2003 &amp; 2007 on the same machine simultaneously, but I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a &#039;clean&#039; way.

I think I&#039;ll have to go head first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>Firstly, great site, great info.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m about to make the leap into the world of 2007, so I think antialiasing is the least of my worries. For the first time last night I opened one of my &#8216;every day&#8217; files in 2007 and the charts I saw were rendered completely incorrectly. It was late, so I just closed it and pretended everything was ok.</p>
<p>At the moment I&#8217;m trying to find a way of having 2003 &amp; 2007 on the same machine simultaneously, but I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a &#8216;clean&#8217; way.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ll have to go head first.</p>
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		<title>By: Fabrice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fabrice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, Grant, 

I fully agree. &quot;keep it simple&quot; should be the key word.

Developers, like any professional, will do their best and demonstrate their ability to be creative ; add more new features ; with more colors and 3D glowing spinning flashy effects.... because it&#039;s cool

When users the want fewer things that work fine.

Definitely, plethora of features is not the solution : 
it is hard to organize them, complicated to fit them in a tool bar (even on a Ribbon) and final users will only use 10% of them in most cases.

Development teams should definitely include more users (not designers nor programmers... just advanced users) that are able to express (and defend) their needs, temper the enthusiasm of coders... 

Stick to core needs, improve usability before adding features.
Make efficient tools, not cool tools

But we all know that, isn&#039;t it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, Grant, </p>
<p>I fully agree. &#8220;keep it simple&#8221; should be the key word.</p>
<p>Developers, like any professional, will do their best and demonstrate their ability to be creative ; add more new features ; with more colors and 3D glowing spinning flashy effects&#8230;. because it&#8217;s cool</p>
<p>When users the want fewer things that work fine.</p>
<p>Definitely, plethora of features is not the solution :<br />
it is hard to organize them, complicated to fit them in a tool bar (even on a Ribbon) and final users will only use 10% of them in most cases.</p>
<p>Development teams should definitely include more users (not designers nor programmers&#8230; just advanced users) that are able to express (and defend) their needs, temper the enthusiasm of coders&#8230; </p>
<p>Stick to core needs, improve usability before adding features.<br />
Make efficient tools, not cool tools</p>
<p>But we all know that, isn&#8217;t it</p>
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		<title>By: Grant Case</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant Case</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 01:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon, 

I can understand both viewpoints as I spend my day in both 2003 and 2007 (as a business user not a developer). I can say that this is probably one of the things I worry least about in 2007, but I love your idea of putting together a longer version of the article detailing all of Excel 2007 Charts failings. If we could even kinda of go Wiki with it I think that would be even better. As someone who makes his living doing data analysis in financial services, Microsoft seriously handicapped my productivity when it redesigned the charting engine. I think we have a right to be angry and a duty to make our views known to Redmond. When there are individuals building full Sparklines functionality into Excel through open source and doing more for Excel charting then Microsoft did in all of Excel 2007, then we must do something. 

https://sourceforge.net/projects/sparklinesforxl/

After having read the Excel developers blog for the last year I understand why 2007 s**ks so bad, it seems they&#039;re more interested in trying to get Excel to work on the web then actually making it better for the rest of us.

On a related note, Microsoft must have only user tested 2007 with people who little to no knowledge of Excel. No one that I am aware of in the financial services industry has made the move to 2007 nor do they plan too because of what&#039;s been done to Excel. Many traders, bankers, and analysts would literally throw the computer out the window if they had to deal with 2007 and after now working with it for over 6 months I can&#039;t say that I would blame them. 

Wanna make Excel pretty for Grandma, fine - make it push button friendly and let her type in her contact list. But don&#039;t expect the guy who is trying to complete a merger valuation at 3:00 in the morning to relearn a program that he was an expert in. There is no chance Microsoft took this application into any investment bank because they would have screamed bloody murder. Maybe for this next iteration they will try to get power users involved in the business requirement solicitation and user testing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, </p>
<p>I can understand both viewpoints as I spend my day in both 2003 and 2007 (as a business user not a developer). I can say that this is probably one of the things I worry least about in 2007, but I love your idea of putting together a longer version of the article detailing all of Excel 2007 Charts failings. If we could even kinda of go Wiki with it I think that would be even better. As someone who makes his living doing data analysis in financial services, Microsoft seriously handicapped my productivity when it redesigned the charting engine. I think we have a right to be angry and a duty to make our views known to Redmond. When there are individuals building full Sparklines functionality into Excel through open source and doing more for Excel charting then Microsoft did in all of Excel 2007, then we must do something. </p>
<p><a href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/sparklinesforxl/" rel="nofollow">https://sourceforge.net/projects/sparklinesforxl/</a></p>
<p>After having read the Excel developers blog for the last year I understand why 2007 s**ks so bad, it seems they&#8217;re more interested in trying to get Excel to work on the web then actually making it better for the rest of us.</p>
<p>On a related note, Microsoft must have only user tested 2007 with people who little to no knowledge of Excel. No one that I am aware of in the financial services industry has made the move to 2007 nor do they plan too because of what&#8217;s been done to Excel. Many traders, bankers, and analysts would literally throw the computer out the window if they had to deal with 2007 and after now working with it for over 6 months I can&#8217;t say that I would blame them. </p>
<p>Wanna make Excel pretty for Grandma, fine &#8211; make it push button friendly and let her type in her contact list. But don&#8217;t expect the guy who is trying to complete a merger valuation at 3:00 in the morning to relearn a program that he was an expert in. There is no chance Microsoft took this application into any investment bank because they would have screamed bloody murder. Maybe for this next iteration they will try to get power users involved in the business requirement solicitation and user testing.</p>
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