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		<title>By: Jeff Weir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Weir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just found another blog that covers some of this ground: Eagereyes. Check out

http://eagereyes.org/criticism/cost-of-a-sick-chart</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found another blog that covers some of this ground: Eagereyes. Check out</p>
<p><a href="http://eagereyes.org/criticism/cost-of-a-sick-chart" rel="nofollow">http://eagereyes.org/criticism/cost-of-a-sick-chart</a></p>
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		<title>By: DaleW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaleW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 03:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Ed Ferarro and especially Jeff Weir here.  While either a dot plot or a bar chart is a clear improvement over the original pie chart, none of them convey the full story in this data.

The oft-discussed loss of jobs in male-dominated manufacturing actually seems to be hurting women more than men in this NZ data, as Jeff pointed out by his supplemental chart of jobs lost/gained by sector and gender.  It is only the big gain of jobs by women (but not men!) in the Health field that allows the recession overall to impact the employment of women less than men in NZ.  A bar/tornado chart is a very effective way to convey such nuances.

When zero matters, and there are only a few (1-3?) series per cluster, a bar chart seems easier to grasp than a dot plot -- even for those familiar with dot plots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Ed Ferarro and especially Jeff Weir here.  While either a dot plot or a bar chart is a clear improvement over the original pie chart, none of them convey the full story in this data.</p>
<p>The oft-discussed loss of jobs in male-dominated manufacturing actually seems to be hurting women more than men in this NZ data, as Jeff pointed out by his supplemental chart of jobs lost/gained by sector and gender.  It is only the big gain of jobs by women (but not men!) in the Health field that allows the recession overall to impact the employment of women less than men in NZ.  A bar/tornado chart is a very effective way to convey such nuances.</p>
<p>When zero matters, and there are only a few (1-3?) series per cluster, a bar chart seems easier to grasp than a dot plot &#8212; even for those familiar with dot plots.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Weir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Weir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes...labor pies everywhere. http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes&#8230;labor pies everywhere. <a href="http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Excel Links of the Week &#8211; now even more downloads edition &#124; Pointy Haired Dilbert: Charting &#38; Excel Tips - Chandoo.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>Excel Links of the Week &#8211; now even more downloads edition &#124; Pointy Haired Dilbert: Charting &#38; Excel Tips - Chandoo.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 09:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Use dot plots instead of pies to compare categories [...]</description>
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		<title>By: derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is what I had in mind. I thought of another advantage of ordering by increasing difference between two series: the two series are by definition guaranteed to have at most one crossing point, minimizing confusing clutter.  

&lt;a href=&quot;http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r264/del_c/infographics/dotplot.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://peltiertech.com/images/2010-01/DerekDot.png&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

I&#039;m a convert to the value of lines between the points in nominal category series, thanks to the work of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_coordinates&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alfred Inselberg&lt;/a&gt;. 

BTW, this is my lazy dot plot method-- I just make an Excel line chart and rotate it 90 degrees when its time to save the image using my favorite photo app.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is what I had in mind. I thought of another advantage of ordering by increasing difference between two series: the two series are by definition guaranteed to have at most one crossing point, minimizing confusing clutter.  </p>
<p><a href="http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r264/del_c/infographics/dotplot.png" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://peltiertech.com/images/2010-01/DerekDot.png" /></a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m a convert to the value of lines between the points in nominal category series, thanks to the work of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_coordinates" rel="nofollow">Alfred Inselberg</a>. </p>
<p>BTW, this is my lazy dot plot method&#8211; I just make an Excel line chart and rotate it 90 degrees when its time to save the image using my favorite photo app.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Weir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Weir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Chip’s right that the bars tend to work for blue-on-blue comparisons at the expense of blue-on-red, and that it’s harder to see at a glance who is leading who across all categories. 

So technically I think dot plots are a better medium for people that understand charts well. But are they the best medium for the majority of people more familiar with bar charts?  So something we should factor in is the ‘reading age’ of the publication. This source material is public interest, not an article in a scientific periodical. So perhaps we need to err on the side of ‘understanding of the masses’.

While the lines on bar charts add ‘clutter’, I think that the upside is that this clutter helps draw the eye back to an axis. Whereas with the dot plots, you look at the dots and then have to decide ‘what do I have to connect these things to?’ or ‘where should I look next?’

Bar charts may be for sissies, but if that’s what most of our readers are, then perhaps bar charts it is, then.
Regardless, even more important than chart style is chart content. If this publication is about the effect of the recession across sexes and sectors, then plotting how things have changed over a year is a better choice than plotting how things look right now... as I’ve done in my 2nd bar chart above. 

Content is still king. Or to paraphrase Tufte, is this the best data we can present to illustrate this story?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Chip’s right that the bars tend to work for blue-on-blue comparisons at the expense of blue-on-red, and that it’s harder to see at a glance who is leading who across all categories. </p>
<p>So technically I think dot plots are a better medium for people that understand charts well. But are they the best medium for the majority of people more familiar with bar charts?  So something we should factor in is the ‘reading age’ of the publication. This source material is public interest, not an article in a scientific periodical. So perhaps we need to err on the side of ‘understanding of the masses’.</p>
<p>While the lines on bar charts add ‘clutter’, I think that the upside is that this clutter helps draw the eye back to an axis. Whereas with the dot plots, you look at the dots and then have to decide ‘what do I have to connect these things to?’ or ‘where should I look next?’</p>
<p>Bar charts may be for sissies, but if that’s what most of our readers are, then perhaps bar charts it is, then.<br />
Regardless, even more important than chart style is chart content. If this publication is about the effect of the recession across sexes and sectors, then plotting how things have changed over a year is a better choice than plotting how things look right now&#8230; as I’ve done in my 2nd bar chart above. </p>
<p>Content is still king. Or to paraphrase Tufte, is this the best data we can present to illustrate this story?</p>
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