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	<title>Comments on: I Keep Saying, Use Bar Charts, Not Pies</title>
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		<title>By: AnnMaria</title>
		<link>http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/use-bar-charts-not-pies/comment-page-1/#comment-33307</link>
		<dc:creator>AnnMaria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 04:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked your inclusion of Oprah! You touched on one of my very sore spots in statistics, which is the cavalier acceptance that whatever assumptions we make about the data are true, for example, one would think that a chart showing who is favored in a presidential race asked the question, &quot;If the presidential election were held today, for whom would you vote?&quot;

If those assumptions are false, whether we use a pie chart, bar chart or generalized linear mixed model, our results are no more likely to be true than just asking the magic 8-ball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked your inclusion of Oprah! You touched on one of my very sore spots in statistics, which is the cavalier acceptance that whatever assumptions we make about the data are true, for example, one would think that a chart showing who is favored in a presidential race asked the question, &#8220;If the presidential election were held today, for whom would you vote?&#8221;</p>
<p>If those assumptions are false, whether we use a pie chart, bar chart or generalized linear mixed model, our results are no more likely to be true than just asking the magic 8-ball.</p>
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		<title>By: mrt</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 12:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon -

On pie charts -

http://www.militarytimes.com/blogs/broadside/2010/05/12/greenside-of-the-week-may-12-2010/

...mrt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon -</p>
<p>On pie charts -</p>
<p><a href="http://www.militarytimes.com/blogs/broadside/2010/05/12/greenside-of-the-week-may-12-2010/" rel="nofollow">http://www.militarytimes.com/blogs/broadside/2010/05/12/greenside-of-the-week-may-12-2010/</a></p>
<p>&#8230;mrt</p>
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		<title>By: Redesigned Visualizations &#171; Visualization Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redesigned Visualizations &#171; Visualization Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Redesigned Visualization &#8211; Jon Peltier&#8217;s take on the same data [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Redesigned Visualization &#8211; Jon Peltier&#8217;s take on the same data [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Automatically Group Smaller Slices in Pie Charts to one big Slice &#124; Pointy Haired Dilbert: Charting &#38; Excel Tips - Chandoo.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>Automatically Group Smaller Slices in Pie Charts to one big Slice &#124; Pointy Haired Dilbert: Charting &#38; Excel Tips - Chandoo.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Peltier can stand on his roof and shout in to a megaphone &#8220;Use Bar Charts, Not Pies&#8220;, but the fact remains that most of us use pie charts sometime or other. In fact I will go [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Peltier can stand on his roof and shout in to a megaphone &#8220;Use Bar Charts, Not Pies&#8220;, but the fact remains that most of us use pie charts sometime or other. In fact I will go [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Gerbino</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Gerbino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gregory Bankos,

wow, you are a bit upset over Jon&#039;s comments. I am a news junkie and watch as much as I can of ALL networks. I get insulted when they pass off the kind of junk that Jon showed us. I am in the minority because I know better. Based on your comments you know better. Good for you.

When Jon says &quot;My comment was as much about television news shows in general as about Fox News, about television viewers in general, and about the apparent decline in viewers’ IQs while the idiot box is energized. &quot; I have to agree. The sad reality is, most people of the world do not know how to read charts and graphs correctly nor do they know how to create them.

Jon Peltier should be applauded for showing these horrible data visualizations.

As far as insulting people watching TV news and the professionals creating the poor data visualizations, maybe Jon should. But that is just my opinion.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gregory Bankos,</p>
<p>wow, you are a bit upset over Jon&#8217;s comments. I am a news junkie and watch as much as I can of ALL networks. I get insulted when they pass off the kind of junk that Jon showed us. I am in the minority because I know better. Based on your comments you know better. Good for you.</p>
<p>When Jon says &#8220;My comment was as much about television news shows in general as about Fox News, about television viewers in general, and about the apparent decline in viewers’ IQs while the idiot box is energized. &#8221; I have to agree. The sad reality is, most people of the world do not know how to read charts and graphs correctly nor do they know how to create them.</p>
<p>Jon Peltier should be applauded for showing these horrible data visualizations.</p>
<p>As far as insulting people watching TV news and the professionals creating the poor data visualizations, maybe Jon should. But that is just my opinion.</p>
<p>@dmgerbino</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gregory -

I&#039;m a Fox News viewer myself. Not the national edition of Fox News, because I don&#039;t watch any national television news. I watch the local Fox News out of Boston because of all of the local news shows, Fox has the personnel that seem less like plastic talking heads and more like real people.

Fair or not, it is a national pastime to make fun of Fox News. To illustrate, run Google searches on [___ News is a joke], inserting various identifiers in the blank. Only Fox News has the complete search phrase intact in the search results. Not ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNBC, or CNN. 

My comment was as much about television news shows in general as about Fox News, about television viewers in general, and about the apparent decline in viewers&#039; IQs while the idiot box is energized. However, you&#039;re correct that some people may have taken my attempt at entertainment as an insult. To those readers I say:

&lt;em&gt;I apologize for any comments that you may have found offensive.&lt;/em&gt;

As always, people are free to visit the sites they want, and to read the pages they want. If anyone unsubscribes from my blog for this or for any other reason, I will not be offended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gregory -</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Fox News viewer myself. Not the national edition of Fox News, because I don&#8217;t watch any national television news. I watch the local Fox News out of Boston because of all of the local news shows, Fox has the personnel that seem less like plastic talking heads and more like real people.</p>
<p>Fair or not, it is a national pastime to make fun of Fox News. To illustrate, run Google searches on [___ News is a joke], inserting various identifiers in the blank. Only Fox News has the complete search phrase intact in the search results. Not ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNBC, or CNN. </p>
<p>My comment was as much about television news shows in general as about Fox News, about television viewers in general, and about the apparent decline in viewers&#8217; IQs while the idiot box is energized. However, you&#8217;re correct that some people may have taken my attempt at entertainment as an insult. To those readers I say:</p>
<p><em>I apologize for any comments that you may have found offensive.</em></p>
<p>As always, people are free to visit the sites they want, and to read the pages they want. If anyone unsubscribes from my blog for this or for any other reason, I will not be offended.</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi B. Robbins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naomi B. Robbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big improvement! Thanks for showing how to do the custom formatting. The lazy way is to use whole numbers and then put percent in the axis label.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big improvement! Thanks for showing how to do the custom formatting. The lazy way is to use whole numbers and then put percent in the axis label.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naomi -

I should also label the chart axes and add a chart title, but the whole article talks about approval ratings, and I&#039;m making a point about the chart, not about the data.

But I&#039;ve cleaned up one of the charts as an example. To make this chart, I had to convert the percentages in the source data into whole numbers (i.e., multiply by 100), then use a custom number format of &lt;tt class=&quot;tt&quot; style=&quot;color: blue;&quot;&gt;[&lt;80]0_%;0&quot;%&quot;&lt;/tt&gt; for the axis labels.

&lt;p align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://peltiertech.com/images/2009-12/PalinBar04A.png&quot; alt=&quot;Fox Poll Results - Republicans Democrats Independents Overall - Bar Chart&quot;&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naomi -</p>
<p>I should also label the chart axes and add a chart title, but the whole article talks about approval ratings, and I&#8217;m making a point about the chart, not about the data.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ve cleaned up one of the charts as an example. To make this chart, I had to convert the percentages in the source data into whole numbers (i.e., multiply by 100), then use a custom number format of <tt class="tt" style="color: blue;">[&lt;80]0_%;0&quot;%&quot;</tt> for the axis labels.</p>
<p align="center"><img src="http://peltiertech.com/images/2009-12/PalinBar04A.png" alt="Fox Poll Results - Republicans Democrats Independents Overall - Bar Chart"/></p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Bankos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory Bankos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The PTS Blog is my blog, and I maintain it in a manner that is professional, courteous, friendly, and honest&quot;  Please explain to us stupid Fox News viewers how insulting millions of people who watch Fox News is Professional, courteous, friendly and honest?  I watch Fox News, yet somehow I understood that the chart was not meant to add up to 100.  And I also know that pie charts are the devil.   

Quite frankly, you owe many of the people an apology for insulting them.  If you do not apologize, you are not living up to the first sentence of your policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The PTS Blog is my blog, and I maintain it in a manner that is professional, courteous, friendly, and honest&#8221;  Please explain to us stupid Fox News viewers how insulting millions of people who watch Fox News is Professional, courteous, friendly and honest?  I watch Fox News, yet somehow I understood that the chart was not meant to add up to 100.  And I also know that pie charts are the devil.   </p>
<p>Quite frankly, you owe many of the people an apology for insulting them.  If you do not apologize, you are not living up to the first sentence of your policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi B. Robbins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naomi B. Robbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed the post. However, I&#039;d like to see more cleaning up. There are too many percent signs in the table and the axis labels. They make it more difficult to read the numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed the post. However, I&#8217;d like to see more cleaning up. There are too many percent signs in the table and the axis labels. They make it more difficult to read the numbers.</p>
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