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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I showed how to &lt;a href=&quot;http://peltiertech.com/Excel/Charts/AlignXon2Ys.html&quot; title=&quot;Align X Axis to Y=0 on Two Y Axes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Align X Axis to Y=0 on Two Y Axes (VBA)&lt;/a&gt; on my web site a while back.

Make sure you aren&#039;t confounding the two series by using two axes: &lt;a href=&quot;http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/secondary-axes-in-charts-2/&quot; title=&quot;Secondary Axes in Charts&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Secondary Axes in Charts&lt;/a&gt; often show their data in misleading ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I showed how to <a href="http://peltiertech.com/Excel/Charts/AlignXon2Ys.html" title="Align X Axis to Y=0 on Two Y Axes" rel="nofollow">Align X Axis to Y=0 on Two Y Axes (VBA)</a> on my web site a while back.</p>
<p>Make sure you aren&#8217;t confounding the two series by using two axes: <a href="http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/secondary-axes-in-charts-2/" title="Secondary Axes in Charts" rel="nofollow">Secondary Axes in Charts</a> often show their data in misleading ways.</p>
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		<title>By: balaji</title>
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		<dc:creator>balaji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

We have plotted two y axis with a common x axis.
the values on both primary axis and secondary axis goes to negative but the problem we are facing is to have a common 0 reference for both primary axis and secondary axis. Which we are not able to plot.

Kindly help as i need to submit my final year project report.

Regards,
balaji</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>We have plotted two y axis with a common x axis.<br />
the values on both primary axis and secondary axis goes to negative but the problem we are facing is to have a common 0 reference for both primary axis and secondary axis. Which we are not able to plot.</p>
<p>Kindly help as i need to submit my final year project report.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
balaji</p>
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		<title>By: Jasmine Goh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jasmine Goh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your speedy reply! I have used the same set of number that you have used &amp; it does end with 0.5. Not sure why i am not getting the same result</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your speedy reply! I have used the same set of number that you have used &amp; it does end with 0.5. Not sure why i am not getting the same result</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jasmine -

Do the data points themselves appear? It may be that you are using 0 as the X value, but you need a value of 0.5. If the main series are line chart series, and the Y axis crosses the X axis between categories, that means it crosses at X = 0.5, rather than X = 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jasmine -</p>
<p>Do the data points themselves appear? It may be that you are using 0 as the X value, but you need a value of 0.5. If the main series are line chart series, and the Y axis crosses the X axis between categories, that means it crosses at X = 0.5, rather than X = 1.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasmine Goh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jasmine Goh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sir, 

I really love your solution to have panel chart with different scale (http://peltiertech.com/Excel/ChartsHowTo/PanelUnevenScales.html). It allows the user to analyse better. I tried to follow the steps that you have indicated in your web link unfortunately i didn&#039;t get the desired result as published. When the XY series is placed on the primary axis, the data label will not appear. I am using excel 2007, wondering if that&#039;s the cause for it? Is there another solution for user who are using excel 2007? Appreciate your advice on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sir, </p>
<p>I really love your solution to have panel chart with different scale (<a href="http://peltiertech.com/Excel/ChartsHowTo/PanelUnevenScales.html" rel="nofollow">http://peltiertech.com/Excel/ChartsHowTo/PanelUnevenScales.html</a>). It allows the user to analyse better. I tried to follow the steps that you have indicated in your web link unfortunately i didn&#8217;t get the desired result as published. When the XY series is placed on the primary axis, the data label will not appear. I am using excel 2007, wondering if that&#8217;s the cause for it? Is there another solution for user who are using excel 2007? Appreciate your advice on this.</p>
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		<title>By: savithri.v</title>
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		<dc:creator>savithri.v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got this right, in fact very easily, which makes me slightly apprehensive about the correctness of my graph. 
I didn’t understand the X axis part in your explanation above though I got this straight away by following the procedure described by you in ‘Panel Charts with Different Scales’ 
Your directions were extremely clear &amp; try hard as I could in the past one hour, still didn’t find any reason for goofing it up
I’ve mailed you a sample - I wonder if I’ve missed out something…
savithri</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got this right, in fact very easily, which makes me slightly apprehensive about the correctness of my graph.<br />
I didn’t understand the X axis part in your explanation above though I got this straight away by following the procedure described by you in ‘Panel Charts with Different Scales’<br />
Your directions were extremely clear &amp; try hard as I could in the past one hour, still didn’t find any reason for goofing it up<br />
I’ve mailed you a sample &#8211; I wonder if I’ve missed out something…<br />
savithri</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 21:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Savithri -

If you use the methodology in &lt;a href=&quot;http://peltiertech.com/Excel/ChartsHowTo/PanelUnevenScales.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Panel Charts with Different Scales&lt;/a&gt;, you don&#039;t need to worry that on series had negative values. The min values in row 9 of the data range will be negative, and the rest of the formulas will adjust accordingly. Your only duty is to somehow provide a line for the X axis in that panel, using an approach like &lt;a href=&quot;http://peltiertech.com/Excel/Charts/AddLine.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Adding a Line to a Column or Line Chart&lt;/a&gt;, or if you&#039;re industrious, you can add a secondary category axis which crosses the secondary value axis at zero, and has the same scale as the primary category axis but has no axis tick marks or tick labels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Savithri -</p>
<p>If you use the methodology in <a href="http://peltiertech.com/Excel/ChartsHowTo/PanelUnevenScales.html" rel="nofollow">Panel Charts with Different Scales</a>, you don&#8217;t need to worry that on series had negative values. The min values in row 9 of the data range will be negative, and the rest of the formulas will adjust accordingly. Your only duty is to somehow provide a line for the X axis in that panel, using an approach like <a href="http://peltiertech.com/Excel/Charts/AddLine.html" rel="nofollow">Adding a Line to a Column or Line Chart</a>, or if you&#8217;re industrious, you can add a secondary category axis which crosses the secondary value axis at zero, and has the same scale as the primary category axis but has no axis tick marks or tick labels.</p>
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		<title>By: savithri.v</title>
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		<dc:creator>savithri.v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I normally keep same Min &amp; Max on both axis, same Major unit on both sides.

I sincerely attempted to do a panel chart in the present case to avoid a dual axis but found it difficult with a negative value. I chose the easier option for separating the value lines from the % lines by choosing the scale mentioned above to make it panel like &amp; ended up being questioned about my knowledge of elementary mathematics
Thanks,
Savithri</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I normally keep same Min &amp; Max on both axis, same Major unit on both sides.</p>
<p>I sincerely attempted to do a panel chart in the present case to avoid a dual axis but found it difficult with a negative value. I chose the easier option for separating the value lines from the % lines by choosing the scale mentioned above to make it panel like &amp; ended up being questioned about my knowledge of elementary mathematics<br />
Thanks,<br />
Savithri</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, it&#039;s best not to use multiple axes (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/secondary-axes-in-charts-2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Secondary Axes in Charts&lt;/a&gt;). If you need multiple scales, make a panel chart to prevent confusion, or normalize values.

But if you can&#039;t avoid it (not just that you&#039;re too laze, but your boss insists or whatever), it&#039;s best if both axes reflect a common baseline. To make the horizontal axis cross both vertical axes at Y=0, you need  to adjust the mina nd max of both vertical axes. This is easiest using VBA, as described in &lt;a href=&quot;http://peltiertech.com/Excel/Charts/AlignXon2Ys.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Align X Axis to Y=0 on Two Y Axes (VBA)&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, it&#8217;s best not to use multiple axes (see <a href="http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/secondary-axes-in-charts-2/" rel="nofollow">Secondary Axes in Charts</a>). If you need multiple scales, make a panel chart to prevent confusion, or normalize values.</p>
<p>But if you can&#8217;t avoid it (not just that you&#8217;re too laze, but your boss insists or whatever), it&#8217;s best if both axes reflect a common baseline. To make the horizontal axis cross both vertical axes at Y=0, you need  to adjust the mina nd max of both vertical axes. This is easiest using VBA, as described in <a href="http://peltiertech.com/Excel/Charts/AlignXon2Ys.html" rel="nofollow">Align X Axis to Y=0 on Two Y Axes (VBA)</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: savithri.v</title>
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		<dc:creator>savithri.v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sir,
I have a very basic doubt in scaling..
In one of the graphs with secondary axis, I used:-
Primary axis -90 to 90, (major unit 30)
Secondary axis 0% to 30% (major unit 5%)
So 0 in primary axis coincides with 15% in secondary Y axis.

My son picked up some values between 0 &amp; 15%. He asks me when I would have plotted these values in the 1st quadrant on a graph sheet, why is it I’m doing this in the 4th quadrant in Excel. He is not convinced when I ask him to read the values for the %s on the RHS &amp; ignore the LHS.

He feels that the secondary axis has to mirror primary axis &amp; it is not enough to just align values on primary &amp; secondary axis. For him 0 in primary axis should coincide with 0 in secondary axis whatever be the scales on either sides &amp; whatever be the medium used for plotting them. Is he right? 
Savithri</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sir,<br />
I have a very basic doubt in scaling..<br />
In one of the graphs with secondary axis, I used:-<br />
Primary axis -90 to 90, (major unit 30)<br />
Secondary axis 0% to 30% (major unit 5%)<br />
So 0 in primary axis coincides with 15% in secondary Y axis.</p>
<p>My son picked up some values between 0 &amp; 15%. He asks me when I would have plotted these values in the 1st quadrant on a graph sheet, why is it I’m doing this in the 4th quadrant in Excel. He is not convinced when I ask him to read the values for the %s on the RHS &amp; ignore the LHS.</p>
<p>He feels that the secondary axis has to mirror primary axis &amp; it is not enough to just align values on primary &amp; secondary axis. For him 0 in primary axis should coincide with 0 in secondary axis whatever be the scales on either sides &amp; whatever be the medium used for plotting them. Is he right?<br />
Savithri</p>
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