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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug - I thought I had seen the About page once before while reading your blog. These templates are so detailed and convoluted, it&#039;s hard to make them do quite what you want. I guess we all need a couple new acronyms: CSS and PHP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug &#8211; I thought I had seen the About page once before while reading your blog. These templates are so detailed and convoluted, it&#8217;s hard to make them do quite what you want. I guess we all need a couple new acronyms: CSS and PHP.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Jenkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the plug Jon (and in the competition thread!)

You&#039;re not blind, I can&#039;t find the about page on the curent layout either.  I&#039;ll probably switch to a different design when I get time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the plug Jon (and in the competition thread!)</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not blind, I can&#8217;t find the about page on the curent layout either.  I&#8217;ll probably switch to a different design when I get time.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
		<link>http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/physics-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-1676</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should point out Doug&#039;s blog, &lt;a href=&quot;http://newtonexcelbach.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Newton Excel Bach&lt;/a&gt;, which looks at scientific and engineering applications of Excel.

Doug - Maybe I&#039;ve become blind, but I couldn&#039;t find the &quot;about&quot; page on your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should point out Doug&#8217;s blog, <a href="http://newtonexcelbach.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">Newton Excel Bach</a>, which looks at scientific and engineering applications of Excel.</p>
<p>Doug &#8211; Maybe I&#8217;ve become blind, but I couldn&#8217;t find the &#8220;about&#8221; page on your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
		<link>http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/physics-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-1673</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug - Thanks for your comment. That&#039;s a good point. Maybe people hear the horror stories about statistics done in spreadsheets, or the $100MM errors that bankrupt companies. Or whatever.

My first engineering-based programming I did was to reconstruct a model that took input from the user (temperature etc.), looked up materials parameters from a database (an Excel worksheet in my case), and spit out predicted values for mechanical behavior. I wrote the program in the old XLM language to automate Solver, because we had a value the model output and we needed the corresponding input. Manually it took two days to produce a dozen output values, and the program did it in a couple minutes. So it was a big deal. Up until I wrote the program, I had to submit my conditions to the engineers in another division and wait for them to process the values for me. 

My colleague at the division noticed I&#039;d stopped asking them for calculations and wondered how I got mine. I sheepishly admitted it was &quot;only&quot; an Excel solution. I was surprised to learn that they used Excel all the time for engineering work, because I&#039;d envisioned large mainframes (Crays, really) to do the work. They liked my system and implemented it themselves. My first VBA project was to upgrade my XLM materials properties program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug &#8211; Thanks for your comment. That&#8217;s a good point. Maybe people hear the horror stories about statistics done in spreadsheets, or the $100MM errors that bankrupt companies. Or whatever.</p>
<p>My first engineering-based programming I did was to reconstruct a model that took input from the user (temperature etc.), looked up materials parameters from a database (an Excel worksheet in my case), and spit out predicted values for mechanical behavior. I wrote the program in the old XLM language to automate Solver, because we had a value the model output and we needed the corresponding input. Manually it took two days to produce a dozen output values, and the program did it in a couple minutes. So it was a big deal. Up until I wrote the program, I had to submit my conditions to the engineers in another division and wait for them to process the values for me. </p>
<p>My colleague at the division noticed I&#8217;d stopped asking them for calculations and wondered how I got mine. I sheepishly admitted it was &#8220;only&#8221; an Excel solution. I was surprised to learn that they used Excel all the time for engineering work, because I&#8217;d envisioned large mainframes (Crays, really) to do the work. They liked my system and implemented it themselves. My first VBA project was to upgrade my XLM materials properties program.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/physics-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-1672</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon - one thing that bugs me is that schools and universities seem to have an aversion to using spreadsheets for science and maths.  It&#039;s almost like they thing a spreadsheet is for financial analysis and nothing else.

I think your model is an excellent introduction to the sorts of things you can do with spreadsheets in science education.  Also I totally agree with your &quot;keep it simple&quot; approach, whilst not forgetting the basics of good design; i.e separating data, analysis, and output.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon &#8211; one thing that bugs me is that schools and universities seem to have an aversion to using spreadsheets for science and maths.  It&#8217;s almost like they thing a spreadsheet is for financial analysis and nothing else.</p>
<p>I think your model is an excellent introduction to the sorts of things you can do with spreadsheets in science education.  Also I totally agree with your &#8220;keep it simple&#8221; approach, whilst not forgetting the basics of good design; i.e separating data, analysis, and output.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 00:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dermot - That&#039;s a viable alternative. I don&#039;t know what&#039;s less effort. The basic workbook took me 20 minutes to put together. I thought of NA() in the chart source data before I thought of dynamic chart source ranges. I suspect the dynamic names would have taken me a similar length of time.

I think the concept of not plotting #N/A might be somewhat easier for an inexperienced Excel user than the concept of a dynamic range name based on worksheet ranges. A &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oaltd.co.uk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Stephen Bullen&lt;/a&gt;-type &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oaltd.co.uk/DLCount/DLCount.asp?file=ChtFrmla.zip&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ChtFrmla defined name&lt;/a&gt; is conceptually much more difficult to understand, technically more difficult to construct, and much harder to debug and maintain than a worksheet-based name.

The model as I&#039;ve fashioned it would be more robust, if someone decided to insert a copy of the model worksheet into the same workbook. If the dynamic names were defined on a workbook level, the copied chart would refer to the name defined on the original sheet, not on the copied sheet. If the dynamic names were defined on a worksheet level, the chart on the copied sheet would contain hard-coded values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dermot &#8211; That&#8217;s a viable alternative. I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s less effort. The basic workbook took me 20 minutes to put together. I thought of NA() in the chart source data before I thought of dynamic chart source ranges. I suspect the dynamic names would have taken me a similar length of time.</p>
<p>I think the concept of not plotting #N/A might be somewhat easier for an inexperienced Excel user than the concept of a dynamic range name based on worksheet ranges. A <a href="http://www.oaltd.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">Stephen Bullen</a>-type <a href="http://www.oaltd.co.uk/DLCount/DLCount.asp?file=ChtFrmla.zip" rel="nofollow">ChtFrmla defined name</a> is conceptually much more difficult to understand, technically more difficult to construct, and much harder to debug and maintain than a worksheet-based name.</p>
<p>The model as I&#8217;ve fashioned it would be more robust, if someone decided to insert a copy of the model worksheet into the same workbook. If the dynamic names were defined on a workbook level, the copied chart would refer to the name defined on the original sheet, not on the copied sheet. If the dynamic names were defined on a worksheet level, the chart on the copied sheet would contain hard-coded values.</p>
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