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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The split bar chart I show here (the last bar chart in the post), and the three-fold bar chart I showed in &lt;a href=&quot;http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/2008/07/12/bar-graphs-vs-pie-charts/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bar graphs vs. Pie charts&lt;/a&gt;, are both panel charts of a sort. I haven&#039;t drawn all the boxes, but I still have recreated sets of small multiples.

Generally this approach is pretty effective. See the dashboard by Professor Hichert in &lt;a href=&quot;http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/2008/07/16/nice-dashboard-examples/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nice Dashboard Examples&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The split bar chart I show here (the last bar chart in the post), and the three-fold bar chart I showed in <a href="http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/2008/07/12/bar-graphs-vs-pie-charts/" rel="nofollow">Bar graphs vs. Pie charts</a>, are both panel charts of a sort. I haven&#8217;t drawn all the boxes, but I still have recreated sets of small multiples.</p>
<p>Generally this approach is pretty effective. See the dashboard by Professor Hichert in <a href="http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/2008/07/16/nice-dashboard-examples/" rel="nofollow">Nice Dashboard Examples</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: PragmaticCynic</title>
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		<dc:creator>PragmaticCynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon:  

You said &quot;Two or three clustered bars would be fine, but more than that would be too cluttered to be legible. You could rearrange the data to produce an alternate arrangement, but that may not be as useful for this particular data.&quot;

What&#039;s your opinion of using a variant of a panel chart ?  I have done it was a small set of X access points on the horizontal comparing 4 different years using in-cell graphs.  Seems to work well with my audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon:  </p>
<p>You said &#8220;Two or three clustered bars would be fine, but more than that would be too cluttered to be legible. You could rearrange the data to produce an alternate arrangement, but that may not be as useful for this particular data.&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s your opinion of using a variant of a panel chart ?  I have done it was a small set of X access points on the horizontal comparing 4 different years using in-cell graphs.  Seems to work well with my audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandi -

I frequently use combination charts in a similar way. Often I use an area chart for target values, or typical values, or some other kind of comparative measure, and a line chart for actual values. I don&#039;t mix bars/columns with lines very much, unless it&#039;s a construction like a box and whisker chart, or where I can use a floating bar to indicate a range of values and XY markers for individual measurements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandi -</p>
<p>I frequently use combination charts in a similar way. Often I use an area chart for target values, or typical values, or some other kind of comparative measure, and a line chart for actual values. I don&#8217;t mix bars/columns with lines very much, unless it&#8217;s a construction like a box and whisker chart, or where I can use a floating bar to indicate a range of values and XY markers for individual measurements.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
		<link>http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/peltier-goes-bar-hopping/comment-page-1/#comment-2290</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hadley - 

Thanks for the clarification. I&#039;ve seen the attributes presented in the order I posted. and I imagine like any good methodology, there is some variation in its implementation.

It&#039;s been a while since I&#039;ve read the articles. I&#039;m glad you cleared up the bar chart&#039;s effectiveness in terms of position along an axis. That actually makes more sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hadley &#8211; </p>
<p>Thanks for the clarification. I&#8217;ve seen the attributes presented in the order I posted. and I imagine like any good methodology, there is some variation in its implementation.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been a while since I&#8217;ve read the articles. I&#8217;m glad you cleared up the bar chart&#8217;s effectiveness in terms of position along an axis. That actually makes more sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi Mays</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandi Mays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My vote for best chart goes to the combo line and column chart.  The bars are the data you are viewing ... we use bars for forecasts and actuals.  The line is used for the budget.  This makes for an easy comparison.

You can also use this chart on 2 axis for Pareto Charts, where the bars show the Pareto data and the line shows the cumulative %.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My vote for best chart goes to the combo line and column chart.  The bars are the data you are viewing &#8230; we use bars for forecasts and actuals.  The line is used for the budget.  This makes for an easy comparison.</p>
<p>You can also use this chart on 2 axis for Pareto Charts, where the bars show the Pareto data and the line shows the cumulative %.</p>
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		<title>By: Hadley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cleveland and McGills&#039; hierarchy is a little bit more complicated than you make out.  It&#039;s important to note that they defines performance in terms of the &quot;accuracy of quantitative extraction&quot; - i.e. how accurately can we reproduce numerical values encoded on the plot - and this is just one facet of what makes a good graphic.  You&#039;ve also split up some of the attributes that Cleveland does not find to be different.  The original hierarchy is:

1. Position along a common scale
2. Position along non-aligned scales
3. Length, direction, angle
4. Area
5. Volume, curvature
6. Shading, colour saturation

And in bar charts the primary visual attribute is position along a common scale, not length (which is no better than angle at encoding values)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cleveland and McGills&#8217; hierarchy is a little bit more complicated than you make out.  It&#8217;s important to note that they defines performance in terms of the &#8220;accuracy of quantitative extraction&#8221; &#8211; i.e. how accurately can we reproduce numerical values encoded on the plot &#8211; and this is just one facet of what makes a good graphic.  You&#8217;ve also split up some of the attributes that Cleveland does not find to be different.  The original hierarchy is:</p>
<p>1. Position along a common scale<br />
2. Position along non-aligned scales<br />
3. Length, direction, angle<br />
4. Area<br />
5. Volume, curvature<br />
6. Shading, colour saturation</p>
<p>And in bar charts the primary visual attribute is position along a common scale, not length (which is no better than angle at encoding values)</p>
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