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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 11:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jorge -

I know what indium is used for because a decade ago I worked in a lab where another group was working on displays (I was working on turbine components for jet engines, so I also know what niobium, hafnium, tantalum, platinum, tungsten, and other metallic elements are used for). I didn&#039;t remember the exact details, but 30 seconds on Google led me to the transparent electrode information that I put into my comment.

Anyone else could have used Google to find the same information (plus some nutritional supplement information that I think is total rubbish). The problem is that most people a priori couldn&#039;t care less. You can lead them to Google, but how do you make them search?

The little icons, or small informative labels, may seem unimportant to the expert designing the charts, but they are not chart junk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jorge -</p>
<p>I know what indium is used for because a decade ago I worked in a lab where another group was working on displays (I was working on turbine components for jet engines, so I also know what niobium, hafnium, tantalum, platinum, tungsten, and other metallic elements are used for). I didn&#8217;t remember the exact details, but 30 seconds on Google led me to the transparent electrode information that I put into my comment.</p>
<p>Anyone else could have used Google to find the same information (plus some nutritional supplement information that I think is total rubbish). The problem is that most people a priori couldn&#8217;t care less. You can lead them to Google, but how do you make them search?</p>
<p>The little icons, or small informative labels, may seem unimportant to the expert designing the charts, but they are not chart junk.</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge Camoes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jorge Camoes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 11:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon, the book &quot;Made to Stick&quot; discusses the &quot;Curse of Knowledge&quot; - the more you know, the worse you become at communicating that knowledge. That partially explains the problems with Matt&#039;s chart and other &quot;informative visualizations&quot;.

Forced to remove &quot;chart junk&quot; to make the chart Tufte-compliant, we often remove (or don&#039;t add) the necessary chart elements that create the connection between our highly optimized chart and the reader.

One man&#039;s junk is another man&#039;s treasure. You may know what indium is used for and how important it is in the overall scheme of things. But a larger audience doesn&#039;t know that, and that&#039;s why those little icons the first chart are priceless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, the book &#8220;Made to Stick&#8221; discusses the &#8220;Curse of Knowledge&#8221; &#8211; the more you know, the worse you become at communicating that knowledge. That partially explains the problems with Matt&#8217;s chart and other &#8220;informative visualizations&#8221;.</p>
<p>Forced to remove &#8220;chart junk&#8221; to make the chart Tufte-compliant, we often remove (or don&#8217;t add) the necessary chart elements that create the connection between our highly optimized chart and the reader.</p>
<p>One man&#8217;s junk is another man&#8217;s treasure. You may know what indium is used for and how important it is in the overall scheme of things. But a larger audience doesn&#8217;t know that, and that&#8217;s why those little icons the first chart are priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 01:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should care because someone went to the trouble of designing a whole new kind of chart, instead of using one of those mundane old tried and true types. Well, I guess that&#039;s why you should care about the chart, but who knows about the indium. Oh wait, I do. Indium is used to make transparent electrodes (as Indium Tin Oxide) in flat panel LCD screens. Now it&#039;s somehow relevant, especially as you can imagine the acceleration in its consumption rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should care because someone went to the trouble of designing a whole new kind of chart, instead of using one of those mundane old tried and true types. Well, I guess that&#8217;s why you should care about the chart, but who knows about the indium. Oh wait, I do. Indium is used to make transparent electrodes (as Indium Tin Oxide) in flat panel LCD screens. Now it&#8217;s somehow relevant, especially as you can imagine the acceleration in its consumption rate.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Pierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Pierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 20:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting...beyond the flash of the radial chart, it&#039;s almost the incomprehensible nature of the chart that grabs my attention--trying to understand what it means. But it probably only grabs my attention because I like charts; most other folks probably wouldn&#039;t care enough to try.

I agree with Jorge. Although the revised chart is cleaner and I can easily devise which items are going to disappear first, I don&#039;t know why I should care. It looks like Indium will disappear in my lifetime but I have no idea what that means. I also like the suggestion of putting the time line in terms of generations; will I see it disappear or my grandkids?

The other issue, and I&#039;m sure this is a problem with having appropriate source data, the consumption rates probably are not linear. Are the consumption rates increasing or decreasing for these elements?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting&#8230;beyond the flash of the radial chart, it&#8217;s almost the incomprehensible nature of the chart that grabs my attention&#8211;trying to understand what it means. But it probably only grabs my attention because I like charts; most other folks probably wouldn&#8217;t care enough to try.</p>
<p>I agree with Jorge. Although the revised chart is cleaner and I can easily devise which items are going to disappear first, I don&#8217;t know why I should care. It looks like Indium will disappear in my lifetime but I have no idea what that means. I also like the suggestion of putting the time line in terms of generations; will I see it disappear or my grandkids?</p>
<p>The other issue, and I&#8217;m sure this is a problem with having appropriate source data, the consumption rates probably are not linear. Are the consumption rates increasing or decreasing for these elements?</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge Camoes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jorge Camoes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 13:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon, I don&#039;t know anything about tantalum or antimony and frankly I don&#039;t care. So what, if the are depleted?

Now, what are you going to do to show me that I should care?

First, make it personal. Add my life span to the chart (and my sons&#039; and grandsons&#039;). Then tell me what will be the impact on my lifestyle. Is this something that is used in my car, in my cellphone, in my clothes?

So, this is the rule: make the chart as informative as possible. Then make sure that the chart conveys a message the reader can relate to. Don&#039;t target the eyes, target the brain and the heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, I don&#8217;t know anything about tantalum or antimony and frankly I don&#8217;t care. So what, if the are depleted?</p>
<p>Now, what are you going to do to show me that I should care?</p>
<p>First, make it personal. Add my life span to the chart (and my sons&#8217; and grandsons&#8217;). Then tell me what will be the impact on my lifestyle. Is this something that is used in my car, in my cellphone, in my clothes?</p>
<p>So, this is the rule: make the chart as informative as possible. Then make sure that the chart conveys a message the reader can relate to. Don&#8217;t target the eyes, target the brain and the heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 11:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Naomi -

Thanks for your suggestions. Framing a chart is reasonable, in fact, I hinted at it (a bit jokingly) in the last chart of my &lt;a href=&quot;http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/bad-bar-chart-practices-or-send-in-the-clowns/&quot; title=&quot;Bad Bar Chart Practices, or Send in the Clowns&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bad Bar Chart Practices, or Send in the Clowns&lt;/a&gt; post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Naomi -</p>
<p>Thanks for your suggestions. Framing a chart is reasonable, in fact, I hinted at it (a bit jokingly) in the last chart of my <a href="http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/bad-bar-chart-practices-or-send-in-the-clowns/" title="Bad Bar Chart Practices, or Send in the Clowns" rel="nofollow">Bad Bar Chart Practices, or Send in the Clowns</a> post.</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi B. Robbins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naomi B. Robbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 11:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One way to catch attention without distorting the data is to frame the chart with an attention -getting graphic. Tufte mentioned this back in his 1983 Visual Display of Quantitative Information (see page 59). I recall a simple line chart in the NY Times about the baby Bell phone companies. The line chart was framed in a telephone that put the chart in context  but the decorations did not interfere with the graph.  Another suggestion that I made in Creating More Effective Graphs was to use pictures for labels. This doesn&#039;t apply to all graphs but can be very effective for some labels.

I&#039;m looking forward to hearing other suggestions Jon&#039;s readers make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One way to catch attention without distorting the data is to frame the chart with an attention -getting graphic. Tufte mentioned this back in his 1983 Visual Display of Quantitative Information (see page 59). I recall a simple line chart in the NY Times about the baby Bell phone companies. The line chart was framed in a telephone that put the chart in context  but the decorations did not interfere with the graph.  Another suggestion that I made in Creating More Effective Graphs was to use pictures for labels. This doesn&#8217;t apply to all graphs but can be very effective for some labels.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to hearing other suggestions Jon&#8217;s readers make.</p>
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