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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
		<link>http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/line-charts-vs-xy-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-14514</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 22:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Chart Labeler isn&#039;t required, but without it, the process is very tedious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Chart Labeler isn&#8217;t required, but without it, the process is very tedious.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff W</title>
		<link>http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/line-charts-vs-xy-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-14511</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 20:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you!  That is very nice.  I do need to work though it, and I will report back.

”ddd-d-mmm” is going to be a little cumbersome.  Maybe I can put it on 2 lines

TEXT(D2,”ddd&quot;)&amp;CHAR(10)&amp;(D2,&quot;d-mmm”) ?  Then, I might move the second 2 lines up into the lower region of the graph and below my y data (not shown here.

I forgot that the chart labeler was needed to use a column of labels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you!  That is very nice.  I do need to work though it, and I will report back.</p>
<p>”ddd-d-mmm” is going to be a little cumbersome.  Maybe I can put it on 2 lines</p>
<p>TEXT(D2,”ddd&#8221;)&amp;CHAR(10)&amp;(D2,&#8221;d-mmm”) ?  Then, I might move the second 2 lines up into the lower region of the graph and below my y data (not shown here.</p>
<p>I forgot that the chart labeler was needed to use a column of labels.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 12:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no weeks item in the sequence Years-Months-Days. To show weeks you would just have to use a tick spacing of 7 days.

I&#039;m not sure what you&#039;re really trying, but this might be it.

Here&#039;s the data range. Columns 1 and 2 are X (the date) and Y (zero to sit on the axis). Columns D-F are your labels, and column C is a concatenated label, which uses this formula:

=TEXT(D2,&quot;d-mmm&quot;)&amp;CHAR(10)&amp;E2&amp;CHAR(10)&amp;F2

It puts the date first, using TEXT to apply a format to the date (or else it would be just a number. like 39941). CHAR(10) tells Excel to use the 10th character in the ASCII character set to add a line break.
&lt;p align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://peltiertech.com/images/2009-05/JeffAxisData.png&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

I have no idea what else is in your chart, but here is a blank chart with your data points from this table added on top of the default time scale axis using the X and Y values in the table.
&lt;p align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://peltiertech.com/images/2009-05/JeffAxisOrig.png&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

Here I&#039;ve hidden the default axis tick labels, and added labels to the series added above. Use &lt;a href=&quot;http://appspro.com/Utilities/ChartLabeler.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rob Bovey&#039;s Chart Labeler&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://peltiertech.com/images/2009-05/JeffAxisLabels.png&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

Finally, you can hide the default axis tick marks and use black crosses to simulate axis ticks.
&lt;p align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://peltiertech.com/images/2009-05/JeffAxisLabels2.png&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no weeks item in the sequence Years-Months-Days. To show weeks you would just have to use a tick spacing of 7 days.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you&#8217;re really trying, but this might be it.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the data range. Columns 1 and 2 are X (the date) and Y (zero to sit on the axis). Columns D-F are your labels, and column C is a concatenated label, which uses this formula:</p>
<p>=TEXT(D2,&#8221;d-mmm&#8221;)&#038;CHAR(10)&#038;E2&#038;CHAR(10)&#038;F2</p>
<p>It puts the date first, using TEXT to apply a format to the date (or else it would be just a number. like 39941). CHAR(10) tells Excel to use the 10th character in the ASCII character set to add a line break.</p>
<p align="center"><img src="http://peltiertech.com/images/2009-05/JeffAxisData.png" /></p>
<p>I have no idea what else is in your chart, but here is a blank chart with your data points from this table added on top of the default time scale axis using the X and Y values in the table.</p>
<p align="center"><img src="http://peltiertech.com/images/2009-05/JeffAxisOrig.png" /></p>
<p>Here I&#8217;ve hidden the default axis tick labels, and added labels to the series added above. Use <a href="http://appspro.com/Utilities/ChartLabeler.htm" rel="nofollow">Rob Bovey&#8217;s Chart Labeler</a></p>
<p align="center"><img src="http://peltiertech.com/images/2009-05/JeffAxisLabels.png" /></p>
<p>Finally, you can hide the default axis tick marks and use black crosses to simulate axis ticks.</p>
<p align="center"><img src="http://peltiertech.com/images/2009-05/JeffAxisLabels2.png" /></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff W</title>
		<link>http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/line-charts-vs-xy-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-14489</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 05:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>XY with date, then line chart w dummy series?  Line chart w date scale doesn&#039;t have the weeks/days hierarchy (no weeks at all).  Don&#039;t yet have control of the features.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>XY with date, then line chart w dummy series?  Line chart w date scale doesn&#8217;t have the weeks/days hierarchy (no weeks at all).  Don&#8217;t yet have control of the features.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 19:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff -

You could use the date for the axis, then place points along the axis using a dummy series (a line chart series with no markers or lines) and apply data labels to these points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff -</p>
<p>You could use the date for the axis, then place points along the axis using a dummy series (a line chart series with no markers or lines) and apply data labels to these points.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff W</title>
		<link>http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/line-charts-vs-xy-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-14352</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 01:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Date	&#124;&#124; time left &#124;&#124;	count
Mon, 25 May	&#124;&#124; 10 wk 3 d &#124;&#124;	21
Fri, 29 May	 &#124;&#124; 9 wk 5 d &#124;&#124;	19
Mon, 1 Jun	 &#124;&#124; 9 wk 0 d &#124;&#124;	17</description>
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Mon, 25 May	|| 10 wk 3 d ||	21<br />
Fri, 29 May	 || 9 wk 5 d ||	19<br />
Mon, 1 Jun	 || 9 wk 0 d ||	17</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff W</title>
		<link>http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/line-charts-vs-xy-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-14350</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 01:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am counting down time of 18 sequential events in three columns as folows: 

Date	            time left	count
Fri, 8 May	10 wk 3 d	21
Wed, 13 May	9 wk 5 d	19
Mon, 18 May	9 wk 0 d	17
Fri, 22 May	8 wk 3 d	15
Mon, 25 May	8 wk 0 d	14
Fri, 29 May	7 wk 3 d	13
Mon, 1 Jun	7 wk 0 d	12
Fri, 5 Jun	6 wk 3 d	11
Mon, 8 Jun	6 wk 0 d	10
Fri, 12 Jun	5 wk 3 d	9
Mon, 15 Jun	5 wk 0 d	8
Fri, 19 Jun	4 wk 3 d	7
Mon, 22 Jun	4 wk 0 d	6
Fri, 26 Jun	3 wk 3 d	5
Mon, 29 Jun	3 wk 0 d	4
Fri, 3 Jul	2 wk 3 d	3
Mon, 6 Jul	2 wk 0 d	2
Fri, 10 Jul	1 wk 3 d	last one

Notice uneven intervals and events (20, 18, 16) not to be reported.  This is all x-axis data to track numeric values on the y-axis.  Is it possible to make a week/day scale that will space the date intervals and list the date and count values (Date    count)? 

I also have some special text labels to apply to the data points.  Is it possible to list the value and text label (Value    Text label)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am counting down time of 18 sequential events in three columns as folows: </p>
<p>Date	            time left	count<br />
Fri, 8 May	10 wk 3 d	21<br />
Wed, 13 May	9 wk 5 d	19<br />
Mon, 18 May	9 wk 0 d	17<br />
Fri, 22 May	8 wk 3 d	15<br />
Mon, 25 May	8 wk 0 d	14<br />
Fri, 29 May	7 wk 3 d	13<br />
Mon, 1 Jun	7 wk 0 d	12<br />
Fri, 5 Jun	6 wk 3 d	11<br />
Mon, 8 Jun	6 wk 0 d	10<br />
Fri, 12 Jun	5 wk 3 d	9<br />
Mon, 15 Jun	5 wk 0 d	8<br />
Fri, 19 Jun	4 wk 3 d	7<br />
Mon, 22 Jun	4 wk 0 d	6<br />
Fri, 26 Jun	3 wk 3 d	5<br />
Mon, 29 Jun	3 wk 0 d	4<br />
Fri, 3 Jul	2 wk 3 d	3<br />
Mon, 6 Jul	2 wk 0 d	2<br />
Fri, 10 Jul	1 wk 3 d	last one</p>
<p>Notice uneven intervals and events (20, 18, 16) not to be reported.  This is all x-axis data to track numeric values on the y-axis.  Is it possible to make a week/day scale that will space the date intervals and list the date and count values (Date    count)? </p>
<p>I also have some special text labels to apply to the data points.  Is it possible to list the value and text label (Value    Text label)?</p>
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		<title>By: Line Charts vs. XY Charts - Learn Excel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Line Charts vs. XY Charts - Learn Excel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Original post by Jon Peltier [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim - Thanks for the example, which I&#039;ve appended to your comment. Tune in soon for a related blog post about bad (and good) smoothed lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim &#8211; Thanks for the example, which I&#8217;ve appended to your comment. Tune in soon for a related blog post about bad (and good) smoothed lines.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Mayes</title>
		<link>http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/line-charts-vs-xy-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-2211</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Mayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,

Excellent post! This is one that I&#039;ve been waiting for. So many folks use line when they have numerical X and Y data, and they wonder why their charts don&#039;t look right. Now we&#039;ve got a good resource to tell them to read. Looking forward to the rest of the series.

&quot;You should avoid charts with smoothed lines, especially without markers, because the smoothed lines may misrepresent the actual data being plotted.&quot;

I&#039;m emailing you my favorite example of the evils of smoothed XY charts. I&#039;m sure that there must be a a use, somewhere, for smoothed XY charts, but not in my repertoire.

Tim

[Here is Tim&#039;s example, followed by his commentary in his email. - JP]

&lt;p align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/wp-content/img200807/Smoothed-XY-Charts-Are-Evil.png&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;
This picture shows two XY Scatter charts of the same data. This is supposed to be a step function as shown on the left side. If you choose a smoothed XY scatter, instead of Scatter with Straight Lines, then you get the chart on the right. All too often my students will turn in an example that looks like the one on the right, even though they have seen numerous examples of step functions and I&#039;ve lectured extensively on them.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>Excellent post! This is one that I&#8217;ve been waiting for. So many folks use line when they have numerical X and Y data, and they wonder why their charts don&#8217;t look right. Now we&#8217;ve got a good resource to tell them to read. Looking forward to the rest of the series.</p>
<p>&#8220;You should avoid charts with smoothed lines, especially without markers, because the smoothed lines may misrepresent the actual data being plotted.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m emailing you my favorite example of the evils of smoothed XY charts. I&#8217;m sure that there must be a a use, somewhere, for smoothed XY charts, but not in my repertoire.</p>
<p>Tim</p>
<p>[Here is Tim's example, followed by his commentary in his email. - JP]</p>
<p align="center"><img src="http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/wp-content/img200807/Smoothed-XY-Charts-Are-Evil.png" /></p>
<p><em><br />
This picture shows two XY Scatter charts of the same data. This is supposed to be a step function as shown on the left side. If you choose a smoothed XY scatter, instead of Scatter with Straight Lines, then you get the chart on the right. All too often my students will turn in an example that looks like the one on the right, even though they have seen numerous examples of step functions and I&#8217;ve lectured extensively on them.</em></p>
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