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		<title>By: Sal Paradise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sal Paradise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

Monetary values for various skills can actually be found on fangraphs -- another baseball site.

The problem is that On-base percentage and power are combined, though you could do the math to divide them using linear weights or the like (with quite a bit of effort). Also, it would cause some serious problems since OBP and SLG have a lot of overlap (generally speaking) since each home run also gives you points toward on-base.

Also, because of the difference in scales (defense is worth roughly half of offense, and base-running is even less important), the graph won&#039;t line up even for the &#039;average&#039; player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>Monetary values for various skills can actually be found on fangraphs &#8212; another baseball site.</p>
<p>The problem is that On-base percentage and power are combined, though you could do the math to divide them using linear weights or the like (with quite a bit of effort). Also, it would cause some serious problems since OBP and SLG have a lot of overlap (generally speaking) since each home run also gives you points toward on-base.</p>
<p>Also, because of the difference in scales (defense is worth roughly half of offense, and base-running is even less important), the graph won&#8217;t line up even for the &#8216;average&#8217; player.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff weir</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff weir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops, just realised that I&#039;ve mixed up my x and y axis in my comment above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, just realised that I&#8217;ve mixed up my x and y axis in my comment above.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff -

1. I thought about labeling the last points, but there would have been too many overlapping series. I guess it would work for the two highlighted series in the last chart.

2. I also thought about aligning the tick marks with the labels. I didn&#039;t want the first category lined up with the Y axis, so I didn&#039;t do that (though hiding the Y axis line and tick marks and using horizontal gridlines would remove the awkwardness). I would have hidden the X axis tick marks, then added a dummy series, using crosses as markers, but decided enough was enough.

3. I&#039;ve been monetizing this stuff via the charting utilities, and I have more of these to build. I&#039;ve also started &quot;my book&quot; on several occasions, but it&#039;s nowhere yet. One of these days....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff -</p>
<p>1. I thought about labeling the last points, but there would have been too many overlapping series. I guess it would work for the two highlighted series in the last chart.</p>
<p>2. I also thought about aligning the tick marks with the labels. I didn&#8217;t want the first category lined up with the Y axis, so I didn&#8217;t do that (though hiding the Y axis line and tick marks and using horizontal gridlines would remove the awkwardness). I would have hidden the X axis tick marks, then added a dummy series, using crosses as markers, but decided enough was enough.</p>
<p>3. I&#8217;ve been monetizing this stuff via the charting utilities, and I have more of these to build. I&#8217;ve also started &#8220;my book&#8221; on several occasions, but it&#8217;s nowhere yet. One of these days&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff weir</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff weir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon...when do you manage to get any paid work done? Another fantastic tutorial. When is your book coming out? You gotta monetarise this stuff, man!

There&#039;s a really cool macro on the web called &#039;Label Last Point&#039; that would work well with your reworked chart - it would do away with that nasty legend. Now, where did I see it again? Ahh, that&#039;s right...it&#039;s at http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/label-each-series-in-a-chart/ . Only problem is that sometimes the labels overlap.

Also, it&#039;s very easy to add another series that shows the difference between the 2 highlighted series. Perhaps this makes it slightly easier to judge the relative skills at a glance...although you then have to rescale the axis to fit in both positive and negative difference ranges thanks to Adam Dunn&#039;s fielding.

Pity that Excel does&#039;nt allow you to easily line up the tick marks on the y axis with the data points. If you change the &#039;Position Axis&#039; setting to &#039;On tick marks&#039; then the points line up, but the first y axis label intersects the x axis, which looks really awkward. 

Only way I can think to get around this was by first changing the &quot;Interval between tick marks&quot; setting to something large (anything above 4 in this case) so that you get no tick marks at all, and then adding 4 new dummy series (one for each point on the Y axis) and using data labels on each of these series to put a tick mark in the place where I want it.

 I&#039;ve added these to your example and posted my spreadsheet at http://cid-f380a394764ef31f.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/.Public/Composite%20Player%20Evaluation%20with%20additional%20series.xls#resId/F380A394764EF31F!134

There&#039;s a picture of my example at http://screencast.com/t/YQduptUS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon&#8230;when do you manage to get any paid work done? Another fantastic tutorial. When is your book coming out? You gotta monetarise this stuff, man!</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a really cool macro on the web called &#8216;Label Last Point&#8217; that would work well with your reworked chart &#8211; it would do away with that nasty legend. Now, where did I see it again? Ahh, that&#8217;s right&#8230;it&#8217;s at <a href="http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/label-each-series-in-a-chart/" rel="nofollow">http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/label-each-series-in-a-chart/</a> . Only problem is that sometimes the labels overlap.</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s very easy to add another series that shows the difference between the 2 highlighted series. Perhaps this makes it slightly easier to judge the relative skills at a glance&#8230;although you then have to rescale the axis to fit in both positive and negative difference ranges thanks to Adam Dunn&#8217;s fielding.</p>
<p>Pity that Excel does&#8217;nt allow you to easily line up the tick marks on the y axis with the data points. If you change the &#8216;Position Axis&#8217; setting to &#8216;On tick marks&#8217; then the points line up, but the first y axis label intersects the x axis, which looks really awkward. </p>
<p>Only way I can think to get around this was by first changing the &#8220;Interval between tick marks&#8221; setting to something large (anything above 4 in this case) so that you get no tick marks at all, and then adding 4 new dummy series (one for each point on the Y axis) and using data labels on each of these series to put a tick mark in the place where I want it.</p>
<p> I&#8217;ve added these to your example and posted my spreadsheet at <a href="http://cid-f380a394764ef31f.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/.Public/Composite%20Player%20Evaluation%20with%20additional%20series.xls#resId/F380A394764EF31F!134" rel="nofollow">http://cid-f380a394764ef31f.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/.Public/Composite%20Player%20Evaluation%20with%20additional%20series.xls#resId/F380A394764EF31F!134</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a picture of my example at <a href="http://screencast.com/t/YQduptUS" rel="nofollow">http://screencast.com/t/YQduptUS</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marcus -

Convention says to use bars for data when the points are important, lines when the trends are important. However, a bar chart withmore than two players would become difficult to read.  As I mentioned in my response to Mike&#039;s comment, the lines are important to indicate the data for a specific player over all categories.

Parallel coordinates analysis is widely used for much more complex data sets than I show here. If you want a more detailed explanation, please read Stephen Few&#039;s article, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.b-eye-network.com/view/3355&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Multivariate Analysis Using Parallel Coordinates&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus -</p>
<p>Convention says to use bars for data when the points are important, lines when the trends are important. However, a bar chart withmore than two players would become difficult to read.  As I mentioned in my response to Mike&#8217;s comment, the lines are important to indicate the data for a specific player over all categories.</p>
<p>Parallel coordinates analysis is widely used for much more complex data sets than I show here. If you want a more detailed explanation, please read Stephen Few&#8217;s article, <a href="http://www.b-eye-network.com/view/3355" rel="nofollow">Multivariate Analysis Using Parallel Coordinates</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for making a harsh point - but the resulting chart is a great mess. Since the connected data points imply continuous data it&#039;s at least misguiding. To be clear: It&#039;s wrong representation of data. When going from &quot;On Base&quot; to &quot;Power&quot;, there&#039;s no &quot;increase&quot; or &quot;stagnation&quot; - it&#039;s simply incomparable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for making a harsh point &#8211; but the resulting chart is a great mess. Since the connected data points imply continuous data it&#8217;s at least misguiding. To be clear: It&#8217;s wrong representation of data. When going from &#8220;On Base&#8221; to &#8220;Power&#8221;, there&#8217;s no &#8220;increase&#8221; or &#8220;stagnation&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s simply incomparable.</p>
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