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		<title>By: Sal Paradise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sal Paradise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

Monetary values for various skills can actually be found on fangraphs -- another baseball site.

The problem is that On-base percentage and power are combined, though you could do the math to divide them using linear weights or the like (with quite a bit of effort). Also, it would cause some serious problems since OBP and SLG have a lot of overlap (generally speaking) since each home run also gives you points toward on-base.

Also, because of the difference in scales (defense is worth roughly half of offense, and base-running is even less important), the graph won&#039;t line up even for the &#039;average&#039; player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>Monetary values for various skills can actually be found on fangraphs &#8212; another baseball site.</p>
<p>The problem is that On-base percentage and power are combined, though you could do the math to divide them using linear weights or the like (with quite a bit of effort). Also, it would cause some serious problems since OBP and SLG have a lot of overlap (generally speaking) since each home run also gives you points toward on-base.</p>
<p>Also, because of the difference in scales (defense is worth roughly half of offense, and base-running is even less important), the graph won&#8217;t line up even for the &#8216;average&#8217; player.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff weir</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff weir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops, just realised that I&#039;ve mixed up my x and y axis in my comment above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, just realised that I&#8217;ve mixed up my x and y axis in my comment above.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff -

1. I thought about labeling the last points, but there would have been too many overlapping series. I guess it would work for the two highlighted series in the last chart.

2. I also thought about aligning the tick marks with the labels. I didn&#039;t want the first category lined up with the Y axis, so I didn&#039;t do that (though hiding the Y axis line and tick marks and using horizontal gridlines would remove the awkwardness). I would have hidden the X axis tick marks, then added a dummy series, using crosses as markers, but decided enough was enough.

3. I&#039;ve been monetizing this stuff via the charting utilities, and I have more of these to build. I&#039;ve also started &quot;my book&quot; on several occasions, but it&#039;s nowhere yet. One of these days....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff -</p>
<p>1. I thought about labeling the last points, but there would have been too many overlapping series. I guess it would work for the two highlighted series in the last chart.</p>
<p>2. I also thought about aligning the tick marks with the labels. I didn&#8217;t want the first category lined up with the Y axis, so I didn&#8217;t do that (though hiding the Y axis line and tick marks and using horizontal gridlines would remove the awkwardness). I would have hidden the X axis tick marks, then added a dummy series, using crosses as markers, but decided enough was enough.</p>
<p>3. I&#8217;ve been monetizing this stuff via the charting utilities, and I have more of these to build. I&#8217;ve also started &#8220;my book&#8221; on several occasions, but it&#8217;s nowhere yet. One of these days&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff weir</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff weir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon...when do you manage to get any paid work done? Another fantastic tutorial. When is your book coming out? You gotta monetarise this stuff, man!

There&#039;s a really cool macro on the web called &#039;Label Last Point&#039; that would work well with your reworked chart - it would do away with that nasty legend. Now, where did I see it again? Ahh, that&#039;s right...it&#039;s at http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/label-each-series-in-a-chart/ . Only problem is that sometimes the labels overlap.

Also, it&#039;s very easy to add another series that shows the difference between the 2 highlighted series. Perhaps this makes it slightly easier to judge the relative skills at a glance...although you then have to rescale the axis to fit in both positive and negative difference ranges thanks to Adam Dunn&#039;s fielding.

Pity that Excel does&#039;nt allow you to easily line up the tick marks on the y axis with the data points. If you change the &#039;Position Axis&#039; setting to &#039;On tick marks&#039; then the points line up, but the first y axis label intersects the x axis, which looks really awkward. 

Only way I can think to get around this was by first changing the &quot;Interval between tick marks&quot; setting to something large (anything above 4 in this case) so that you get no tick marks at all, and then adding 4 new dummy series (one for each point on the Y axis) and using data labels on each of these series to put a tick mark in the place where I want it.

 I&#039;ve added these to your example and posted my spreadsheet at http://cid-f380a394764ef31f.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/.Public/Composite%20Player%20Evaluation%20with%20additional%20series.xls#resId/F380A394764EF31F!134

There&#039;s a picture of my example at http://screencast.com/t/YQduptUS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon&#8230;when do you manage to get any paid work done? Another fantastic tutorial. When is your book coming out? You gotta monetarise this stuff, man!</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a really cool macro on the web called &#8216;Label Last Point&#8217; that would work well with your reworked chart &#8211; it would do away with that nasty legend. Now, where did I see it again? Ahh, that&#8217;s right&#8230;it&#8217;s at <a href="http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/label-each-series-in-a-chart/" rel="nofollow">http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/label-each-series-in-a-chart/</a> . Only problem is that sometimes the labels overlap.</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s very easy to add another series that shows the difference between the 2 highlighted series. Perhaps this makes it slightly easier to judge the relative skills at a glance&#8230;although you then have to rescale the axis to fit in both positive and negative difference ranges thanks to Adam Dunn&#8217;s fielding.</p>
<p>Pity that Excel does&#8217;nt allow you to easily line up the tick marks on the y axis with the data points. If you change the &#8216;Position Axis&#8217; setting to &#8216;On tick marks&#8217; then the points line up, but the first y axis label intersects the x axis, which looks really awkward. </p>
<p>Only way I can think to get around this was by first changing the &#8220;Interval between tick marks&#8221; setting to something large (anything above 4 in this case) so that you get no tick marks at all, and then adding 4 new dummy series (one for each point on the Y axis) and using data labels on each of these series to put a tick mark in the place where I want it.</p>
<p> I&#8217;ve added these to your example and posted my spreadsheet at <a href="http://cid-f380a394764ef31f.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/.Public/Composite%20Player%20Evaluation%20with%20additional%20series.xls#resId/F380A394764EF31F" rel="nofollow">http://cid-f380a394764ef31f.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/.Public/Composite%20Player%20Evaluation%20with%20additional%20series.xls#resId/F380A394764EF31F</a>!134</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a picture of my example at <a href="http://screencast.com/t/YQduptUS" rel="nofollow">http://screencast.com/t/YQduptUS</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marcus -

Convention says to use bars for data when the points are important, lines when the trends are important. However, a bar chart withmore than two players would become difficult to read.  As I mentioned in my response to Mike&#039;s comment, the lines are important to indicate the data for a specific player over all categories.

Parallel coordinates analysis is widely used for much more complex data sets than I show here. If you want a more detailed explanation, please read Stephen Few&#039;s article, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.b-eye-network.com/view/3355&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Multivariate Analysis Using Parallel Coordinates&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus -</p>
<p>Convention says to use bars for data when the points are important, lines when the trends are important. However, a bar chart withmore than two players would become difficult to read.  As I mentioned in my response to Mike&#8217;s comment, the lines are important to indicate the data for a specific player over all categories.</p>
<p>Parallel coordinates analysis is widely used for much more complex data sets than I show here. If you want a more detailed explanation, please read Stephen Few&#8217;s article, <a href="http://www.b-eye-network.com/view/3355" rel="nofollow">Multivariate Analysis Using Parallel Coordinates</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for making a harsh point - but the resulting chart is a great mess. Since the connected data points imply continuous data it&#039;s at least misguiding. To be clear: It&#039;s wrong representation of data. When going from &quot;On Base&quot; to &quot;Power&quot;, there&#039;s no &quot;increase&quot; or &quot;stagnation&quot; - it&#039;s simply incomparable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for making a harsh point &#8211; but the resulting chart is a great mess. Since the connected data points imply continuous data it&#8217;s at least misguiding. To be clear: It&#8217;s wrong representation of data. When going from &#8220;On Base&#8221; to &#8220;Power&#8221;, there&#8217;s no &#8220;increase&#8221; or &#8220;stagnation&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s simply incomparable.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike -

It&#039;s true that connecting lines in a chart are used to indicate a connection between adjacent points along the independent axis, as in a time series. In this case, the slope is a rate of change of the dependent variable.

In charts like the radar or parallel coordinates charts, the lines also indicate a connection between the points but not between adjacent categories, in that a series relates to values representing a given record. In this case, each series represents scores for an individual player, and any slope in the connecting lines is in itself meaningless. However, without the connecting lines, it would be next to impossible to distinguish related points, unless there were only a trivial number of series.

I mentioned quarterbacks because in the earlier post I&#039;ve cited, I was looking at American football, not baseball. Sorry for the confusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike -</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that connecting lines in a chart are used to indicate a connection between adjacent points along the independent axis, as in a time series. In this case, the slope is a rate of change of the dependent variable.</p>
<p>In charts like the radar or parallel coordinates charts, the lines also indicate a connection between the points but not between adjacent categories, in that a series relates to values representing a given record. In this case, each series represents scores for an individual player, and any slope in the connecting lines is in itself meaningless. However, without the connecting lines, it would be next to impossible to distinguish related points, unless there were only a trivial number of series.</p>
<p>I mentioned quarterbacks because in the earlier post I&#8217;ve cited, I was looking at American football, not baseball. Sorry for the confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Woodhouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Woodhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem I have with radar charts, and to a lesser extent with the line chart alternatives you offer, is the connecting lines. They seem to be implying a relationship between the various attributes that isn&#039;t really, er, real. How related is Fielding to the other three, for example?

This would, I&#039;m realising, carry a lot more weight if I could offer a whizz-bang alternative that addresses all issues. But I can&#039;t, although I&#039;m thinking some sort of souped-up stacked columns or bars might offer something.

P.S. As a Brit, I&#039;m obviously not steeped in the lore, but I&#039;m confused by this: &quot;in order to let the user select any two quarterbacks from a list&quot; - what does a quarterback do in baseball?

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem I have with radar charts, and to a lesser extent with the line chart alternatives you offer, is the connecting lines. They seem to be implying a relationship between the various attributes that isn&#8217;t really, er, real. How related is Fielding to the other three, for example?</p>
<p>This would, I&#8217;m realising, carry a lot more weight if I could offer a whizz-bang alternative that addresses all issues. But I can&#8217;t, although I&#8217;m thinking some sort of souped-up stacked columns or bars might offer something.</p>
<p>P.S. As a Brit, I&#8217;m obviously not steeped in the lore, but I&#8217;m confused by this: &#8220;in order to let the user select any two quarterbacks from a list&#8221; &#8211; what does a quarterback do in baseball?</p>
<p>;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Martín</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martín</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,

Great post!!. Just yesterday, after working with the olympic medal chart, I neede to create another chart, similar to the one you posted the last. Even while it took me a time to customize it (colored background, type of lines and so on), it ended up great. but this one..... just blowed my  mind !! I am thinking now using the comparison between 2 players, to apply it on my case comparing, for instance, against the average and the total.

Again, a great post.


Rgds.

Martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>Great post!!. Just yesterday, after working with the olympic medal chart, I neede to create another chart, similar to the one you posted the last. Even while it took me a time to customize it (colored background, type of lines and so on), it ended up great. but this one&#8230;.. just blowed my  mind !! I am thinking now using the comparison between 2 players, to apply it on my case comparing, for instance, against the average and the total.</p>
<p>Again, a great post.</p>
<p>Rgds.</p>
<p>Martin</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jon,

As always, a great tutorial. What would be neat is to figure out the $ associated with each skill/ability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jon,</p>
<p>As always, a great tutorial. What would be neat is to figure out the $ associated with each skill/ability.</p>
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