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		<title>By: jeff weir</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff weir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chandoo: My point above that &quot;the length of the relative lines are very precise ways to encode quantitative values&quot; is basically restating Jon&#039;s point that: 

&quot;the information is numerically redundant, but not visually redundant. And the point is, by keeping the series there, we can let the user put his huge visual cortex to work analyzing it.&quot;

If we were to take your point that &quot;the information is redundant&quot; to the extreme, then we&#039;d just end up with a table of numbers. 

For sure, it could be considered redundant to show numerical values (as data labels) as well as numerical values (encoded in line lengths). So if it comes down to a choice between the two, which should we keep...the numbers or the images. 

Quoting from Few&#039;s &quot;Now you see it&quot; again:
*  &quot;Vision is not just one of the 5 channels through which we sense the world; it is by far the dominant and most powerful sense. 

 * &quot;When we represent quantitative information in visual form, our ability to think about it is dramatically enhanced&quot;

* &quot;The eye and the visual cortex of the brain form a massively parallel processor that provides the highest-bandwidth channel into human cognitive centers&quot; (Attributed to Colin Ware&quot;

So if it comes down to a choice of one or the other, keep the graphic and lose the numbers. Fortunately we dont have to choose...we can have both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chandoo: My point above that &#8220;the length of the relative lines are very precise ways to encode quantitative values&#8221; is basically restating Jon&#8217;s point that: </p>
<p>&#8220;the information is numerically redundant, but not visually redundant. And the point is, by keeping the series there, we can let the user put his huge visual cortex to work analyzing it.&#8221;</p>
<p>If we were to take your point that &#8220;the information is redundant&#8221; to the extreme, then we&#8217;d just end up with a table of numbers. </p>
<p>For sure, it could be considered redundant to show numerical values (as data labels) as well as numerical values (encoded in line lengths). So if it comes down to a choice between the two, which should we keep&#8230;the numbers or the images. </p>
<p>Quoting from Few&#8217;s &#8220;Now you see it&#8221; again:<br />
*  &#8220;Vision is not just one of the 5 channels through which we sense the world; it is by far the dominant and most powerful sense. </p>
<p> * &#8220;When we represent quantitative information in visual form, our ability to think about it is dramatically enhanced&#8221;</p>
<p>* &#8220;The eye and the visual cortex of the brain form a massively parallel processor that provides the highest-bandwidth channel into human cognitive centers&#8221; (Attributed to Colin Ware&#8221;</p>
<p>So if it comes down to a choice of one or the other, keep the graphic and lose the numbers. Fortunately we dont have to choose&#8230;we can have both.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chandoo - That&#039;s a perverse pleasure indeed. I still think you&#039;re shortchanging your viewers by leaving out the visual display of the percentages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chandoo &#8211; That&#8217;s a perverse pleasure indeed. I still think you&#8217;re shortchanging your viewers by leaving out the visual display of the percentages.</p>
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		<title>By: Chandoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chandoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jon .. debatable. But I have developed contempt for charts and tables where both % and values are mentioned during my MBA days. I still think showing them together is of little use. May be because I secretly derive pleasure in computing percentages myself :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jon .. debatable. But I have developed contempt for charts and tables where both % and values are mentioned during my MBA days. I still think showing them together is of little use. May be because I secretly derive pleasure in computing percentages myself :D</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chandoo -

The information is numerically redundant, but not visually redundant. And the point is, by keeping the series there, we can let the user put his huge visual cortex to work analyzing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chandoo -</p>
<p>The information is numerically redundant, but not visually redundant. And the point is, by keeping the series there, we can let the user put his huge visual cortex to work analyzing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chandoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chandoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jon..

&quot;1. I think you sorted the sales data and not the commissions.&quot;

Oops, my mistake. I have corrected the version and uploaded it here: http://chandoo.org/img/cb/chart-busters-sales-chart.png


2. You remove a visual analysis from the chart by using labels only to encode the percentages.

Hmm,  While I agree that I have removed a series, you can easily calculate % given the two values. The information is redundant.

@Colin

&quot;Chandoo, the chart doesn’t work. I think that it would be OK if we were showing only Sales and Commissions (and the numbers were formatted in $K). However, incorporating two measures on a bar results in a whole pile of confusion. It isn’t obvious at all what (7%, 2000), (4%, 1500) etc. mean as combined measures. Even less obvious is why you would merge the commission and ratio into one thing - especially when there’s no direct correlation between the two measures.&quot;

If the confusion is due to the fact that I have sorted sales but not commissions, then It is my mistake. I have corrected it now.  

There is direct correlation between % and commission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jon..</p>
<p>&#8220;1. I think you sorted the sales data and not the commissions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oops, my mistake. I have corrected the version and uploaded it here: <a href="http://chandoo.org/img/cb/chart-busters-sales-chart.png" rel="nofollow">http://chandoo.org/img/cb/chart-busters-sales-chart.png</a></p>
<p>2. You remove a visual analysis from the chart by using labels only to encode the percentages.</p>
<p>Hmm,  While I agree that I have removed a series, you can easily calculate % given the two values. The information is redundant.</p>
<p>@Colin</p>
<p>&#8220;Chandoo, the chart doesn’t work. I think that it would be OK if we were showing only Sales and Commissions (and the numbers were formatted in $K). However, incorporating two measures on a bar results in a whole pile of confusion. It isn’t obvious at all what (7%, 2000), (4%, 1500) etc. mean as combined measures. Even less obvious is why you would merge the commission and ratio into one thing &#8211; especially when there’s no direct correlation between the two measures.&#8221;</p>
<p>If the confusion is due to the fact that I have sorted sales but not commissions, then It is my mistake. I have corrected it now.  </p>
<p>There is direct correlation between % and commission.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Banfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Banfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chandoo, the chart doesn&#039;t work. I think that it would be OK if we were showing only Sales and Commissions (and the numbers were formatted in $K). However, incorporating two measures on a bar results in a whole pile of confusion.  It isn&#039;t obvious at all what (7%, 2000), (4%, 1500) etc. mean as combined measures. Even less obvious is why you would merge the commission and ratio into one thing - especially when there&#039;s no direct correlation between the two measures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chandoo, the chart doesn&#8217;t work. I think that it would be OK if we were showing only Sales and Commissions (and the numbers were formatted in $K). However, incorporating two measures on a bar results in a whole pile of confusion.  It isn&#8217;t obvious at all what (7%, 2000), (4%, 1500) etc. mean as combined measures. Even less obvious is why you would merge the commission and ratio into one thing &#8211; especially when there&#8217;s no direct correlation between the two measures.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chandoo -

1. I think you sorted the sales data and not the commissions.
2. You remove a visual analysis from the chart by using labels only to encode the percentages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chandoo -</p>
<p>1. I think you sorted the sales data and not the commissions.<br />
2. You remove a visual analysis from the chart by using labels only to encode the percentages.</p>
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		<title>By: Chandoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chandoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jon... very good treatment of the chart. I am sucker for panel charts.

I was looking at the data and thinking may be we can use the good old bar. Here is a little something I have made

http://chandoo.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/sales-data-chart-busters.png

Since the sales commission will have to come out of sales revenue, overlapping series works without confusion. As the % is just a calculation of commission / sales, I have included it in the labels. 

What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jon&#8230; very good treatment of the chart. I am sucker for panel charts.</p>
<p>I was looking at the data and thinking may be we can use the good old bar. Here is a little something I have made</p>
<p><a href="http://chandoo.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/sales-data-chart-busters.png" rel="nofollow">http://chandoo.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/sales-data-chart-busters.png</a></p>
<p>Since the sales commission will have to come out of sales revenue, overlapping series works without confusion. As the % is just a calculation of commission / sales, I have included it in the labels. </p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Banfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Banfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, I think that different colors in Jon&#039;s chart work because we&#039;re looking at different measures (although I won&#039;t argue against the bars being all the same color).  At first glance, it was obvious to me that the color differences exist because sales, commissions and ratio are different entities. Hence, I wasn&#039;t drawn to any particular color or chart (at least not consciously). However, if these columns represented the same thing e.g. sales of three different products, I would definitely argue that the bars should all be the same color.  

As for the &quot;red&quot; and &quot;green&quot; colors on the chart, the colors used aren&#039;t primary colors, so it&#039;s unclear how a color blind person would perceive them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, I think that different colors in Jon&#8217;s chart work because we&#8217;re looking at different measures (although I won&#8217;t argue against the bars being all the same color).  At first glance, it was obvious to me that the color differences exist because sales, commissions and ratio are different entities. Hence, I wasn&#8217;t drawn to any particular color or chart (at least not consciously). However, if these columns represented the same thing e.g. sales of three different products, I would definitely argue that the bars should all be the same color.  </p>
<p>As for the &#8220;red&#8221; and &#8220;green&#8221; colors on the chart, the colors used aren&#8217;t primary colors, so it&#8217;s unclear how a color blind person would perceive them.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Banfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Banfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It does not add any additional information. I feel it makes the underlying data easier to see.&quot;

Don&#039;t see how.  For example, in the &quot;Difference in Total Percent&quot; chart, it isn&#039;t obvious to me which number (or numbers) you want to draw the reader&#039;s attention to.  Precisely because of the grading, my eyes don&#039;t immediately focus on anything in particular. The point of the grading is even less clear in the other charts.

&quot;In this example, I feel the coloring helps bring out Bob’s Commission value as something to be looked into.&quot;

Even after staring at this chart for a while, that wasn&#039;t obvious to me.  On the other hand, if Bob&#039;s commission bar was in a color different from the others, I would have immediately been drawn to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It does not add any additional information. I feel it makes the underlying data easier to see.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t see how.  For example, in the &#8220;Difference in Total Percent&#8221; chart, it isn&#8217;t obvious to me which number (or numbers) you want to draw the reader&#8217;s attention to.  Precisely because of the grading, my eyes don&#8217;t immediately focus on anything in particular. The point of the grading is even less clear in the other charts.</p>
<p>&#8220;In this example, I feel the coloring helps bring out Bob’s Commission value as something to be looked into.&#8221;</p>
<p>Even after staring at this chart for a while, that wasn&#8217;t obvious to me.  On the other hand, if Bob&#8217;s commission bar was in a color different from the others, I would have immediately been drawn to it.</p>
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