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		<title>By: Psychologist</title>
		<link>http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/bar-graphs-vs-pie-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-161120</link>
		<dc:creator>Psychologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pie charts are good when you want to hide data. They are best when used to compare a trend and you show 2 or 3 periods - the user learns almost nothing - ideal when you are pretending to be helpful but in fact are trying to hide the reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pie charts are good when you want to hide data. They are best when used to compare a trend and you show 2 or 3 periods &#8211; the user learns almost nothing &#8211; ideal when you are pretending to be helpful but in fact are trying to hide the reality.</p>
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		<title>By: DaleW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaleW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,

In trying to imagine the data depicted in your pie chart, my best guess is that we have a D&amp;D game where Trolls are one of several factions, and we have called up a graph showing power by faction.  (If you have a better explanation, do share.)

According to a reference you cited elsewhere in your blog, Stephen Few&#039;s &quot;Save the Pies for Dessert&quot;, there is a Secret Strength to Pies.  While Few is certainly not a fan of pie charts, his paper concludes:

&gt;&gt; Regardless, the fact remains that a comparison of two sets of summed parts is rare in the real world. But, by all means, should you ever need to display data for this purpose, a pie chart would serve you well. Otherwise, save the pies for dessert.

http://www.perceptualedge.com/articles/08-21-07.pdf

It seems that you have created an example of just this type of scenario here -- where the rational player would be concerned how to set up an alliance that might defeat the threating Trolls (Elves, Dragon, Orcs, and Gremlins would potentially work) -- the scenario where even Stephen Few concedes that pie charts should be superior to bar charts.  QED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>In trying to imagine the data depicted in your pie chart, my best guess is that we have a D&amp;D game where Trolls are one of several factions, and we have called up a graph showing power by faction.  (If you have a better explanation, do share.)</p>
<p>According to a reference you cited elsewhere in your blog, Stephen Few&#8217;s &#8220;Save the Pies for Dessert&#8221;, there is a Secret Strength to Pies.  While Few is certainly not a fan of pie charts, his paper concludes:</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; Regardless, the fact remains that a comparison of two sets of summed parts is rare in the real world. But, by all means, should you ever need to display data for this purpose, a pie chart would serve you well. Otherwise, save the pies for dessert.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.perceptualedge.com/articles/08-21-07.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.perceptualedge.com/articles/08-21-07.pdf</a></p>
<p>It seems that you have created an example of just this type of scenario here &#8212; where the rational player would be concerned how to set up an alliance that might defeat the threating Trolls (Elves, Dragon, Orcs, and Gremlins would potentially work) &#8212; the scenario where even Stephen Few concedes that pie charts should be superior to bar charts.  QED.</p>
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		<title>By: DaleW</title>
		<link>http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/bar-graphs-vs-pie-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-17052</link>
		<dc:creator>DaleW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even scientifically trained audiences can more quickly grasp certain facts from this pie chart than from this bar chart.

For instance, if the first faction which claims a sufficient majority will be the winner, the pie chart makes the troll threat (and potential alliances) much more obvious.

If % of total (population, resources, whatever) is irrelevant, don&#039;t use a pie chart!!!

On the other hand, if we want to see trends, a trend line chart would seem to me to be more versatile and generally effective than a series of bar charts (or pie charts).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even scientifically trained audiences can more quickly grasp certain facts from this pie chart than from this bar chart.</p>
<p>For instance, if the first faction which claims a sufficient majority will be the winner, the pie chart makes the troll threat (and potential alliances) much more obvious.</p>
<p>If % of total (population, resources, whatever) is irrelevant, don&#8217;t use a pie chart!!!</p>
<p>On the other hand, if we want to see trends, a trend line chart would seem to me to be more versatile and generally effective than a series of bar charts (or pie charts).</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/bar-graphs-vs-pie-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-10200</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would argue it isn&#039;t quite a matter of taste, but i say that with exactly the points you make. &quot;Trolls are the most&quot; is not quite the same point as &quot;trolls are more than x, y, z&quot; in a story. In the former, you care about the overall level relative to a whole versus comparison to others.

The biggest problem I see with pie charts is people use them just be graphical when they should in fact be using a table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would argue it isn&#8217;t quite a matter of taste, but i say that with exactly the points you make. &#8220;Trolls are the most&#8221; is not quite the same point as &#8220;trolls are more than x, y, z&#8221; in a story. In the former, you care about the overall level relative to a whole versus comparison to others.</p>
<p>The biggest problem I see with pie charts is people use them just be graphical when they should in fact be using a table.</p>
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		<link>http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/bar-graphs-vs-pie-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-2579</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Godin on graphs in presentations &#171; OECD Factblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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